Path: chuka.playstation.co.uk!scea!peter_alau@playstation.sony.com From: mperdue@l4software.com (Mario Perdue) Newsgroups: scea.yaroze.freetalk Subject: Re: Is anyone still here???????? Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:22:37 GMT Organization: L4 Software Lines: 113 Message-ID: <36a06007.5706665@205.149.189.29> References: <77n0ob$hoo1@chuka.playstation.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: firewall-ext.hrtc.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:12:56 +0200, "Nathan Miller" wrote: >Do any of you still check the newsgroups? Has anyone looked at their Yaroze >in the last 6 months? Do you remember where your library reference is? Did >you loose your key card? Did you forget how to program C? Did your >computer explode? Did you give your Yaroze to a friend? I normally don't respond to baited questions like this, but I'll make an exception here. Please realize that my comments represent my views alone, NOT the views of Sony Computer Entertainment. Yes, I check the newsgroups and the web site several times a day. My Yaroze system is on my desk along with all the required manuals and keys. I have not had a lobotomy or major head injury and, as such, still retain my ability to program in C. My computer is quite intact. All that is missing is communication from you and several hundred other members. The mechanism for you to communicate is here, it is up to you to use it. >Really, I am in Bosnia right now running missions for the Army everyday and >I find time to program and develop and should have a good game out in the >next couple of months (because I have to get back to the states to setup my >webpage, the game should be done in a few weeks). You have all of these >tools, such as RSDAnim 1.6 and file packers and all of that to facilitate >your programming and everyone at SCEA decides that they do not want to >participate?! Did you ever think that if we kept the SCEA site as busy as >the SCEE site that we might be getting job offers from game programming >companies? I applaud your programming efforts (under very difficult circumstances) and look forward to seeing your game. I promise to release it ASAP when it is received here. BTW, it might interest you to know that some members of the North American Yaroze community HAVE been employed in the video game industry. >It is sad that I am a member of SCEA, but I would rather check the SCEE >stuff because I know that the SCEA site will have less updates. The SCEA >community needs to pull together and get working on some games. We all >invested quite a bit of money in that little black box, it is a shame that >we would pass up such a good programming platform because we don't feel like >programming for it or because it can't produce the level of graphics that >our 3d accelerated cards can. The Yaroze has one of the best support >libraries that we could ever ask for, it is straight forward and not bogged >down like the DirectX libs. I agree with a lot of what you are saying here. However, the newsgroups are here for your use, they are being monitored, all you need to do is use them. >We are the people who will make our programming experience great. We are >the ones who have to program and get eachother excited about programming for >the Yaroze. SCEA is not going to do that for us, we have to. We do not >have the game competitions that SCEE does, so we are going to have to dig up >some other drive to program our games. What about the possibility that we >could be noticed and our dream come true of being a game programmer for a >good development house? No argument from me here. >I can't believe that we would let our community fall like this. When I get >back to the states in a few months, I will put my web page up and start some >form of competition so that HOPEFULLY a couple of SCEA members realize that >they have something to gain from contributing to our community. Great, I look forward to it. >And to SCEA, I cannot believe that you would allow the program to continue >going down the way it has. I know that its success is more in our hands >than yours and that you have more important things to think about (like >Playstation 2 or whatever), but you offered a service to the consumer (us) >that extended past the time that we exchanged our money for the Yaroze. You >did something so great that no other hardware maker in the world has ever >done, but then you allowed that great achievment to disappear by not doing >competitions and not supporting and updating the libraries and the programs >and the web page that was given to us as a SERVICE that came with our 700 >dollar price tag. SCEA is delivering on that service commitment. The web site is still here and members are updating their pages all the time. The newsgroups are still here and being monitored. We still have our weekly chats on Saturday night, although attendance is down. The auditorium lobby is always open for members to schedule their own chats. Some members are making use of some or all of these services, others are not. >If it sounds like I am ranting it is because I am. There are so many good >things that can come about because of this program and no one has the >initiative to make it happen! If you need someone to run the porgram then >hire me and I will find you new talent by doing competitions and getting the >SCEA Yarozers together at E3 and for prgramming weeekends and things like >that. These are the things WE need from SCEA to get inspired and to program >that next great demo that shows them we have talent and that we are a >marketable product. There is a wealth of talent out here that has nowhere >to go because SCEA decided to let us go and to not help us on our way. So >to SCEA- get something started to get us started!!!! And to all SCEA >members, program something that will be noticed, get recognized, and live >your dream of being a game programmer!!!!!!!!!!! Sounds like you want my job. :^) Anyway, I disagree with a lot of what is in this last paragraph. SCEA has provided more support than was ever guaranteed by the Yaroze agreement. There are plenty of samples of how to program 2D and 3D games available, there have been manual and tool updates posted to the site. I have made myself available in the auditorium lobby at 9:00pm almost every Saturday night for about a year. SCEA has made all the necessary resources available to you; they can't force you to make use of them.