Path: chuka.playstation.co.uk!news From: "Nigel Critten" Newsgroups: scea.yaroze.freetalk,scee.yaroze.freetalk.english Subject: Re: Net Yaroze 2 ? Please. Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 14:05:50 +0100 Organization: PlayStation Net Yaroze (SCEE) Lines: 54 Message-ID: <7h414v$hrs8@chuka.playstation.co.uk> References: <7gaug1$2mq3@scea> <7gpfti$iko2@chuka.playstation.co.uk> <37304b8c.2367490@www.netyaroze-europe.com> <7gqkr0$iko4@chuka.playstation.co.uk> <7h134o$2qc6@chuka.playstation.co.uk> <7h3qj1$hrs4@chuka.playstation.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: gameware.demon.co.uk X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: chuka.playstation.co.uk scea.yaroze.freetalk:1367 scee.yaroze.freetalk.english:4005 I'm not saying we get exactly what the developers get, I'm just saying a similar toolset, a bit more access to the machine, the libraries are just a bit of a let down, and the manuals are as well. I know Sony make money out of developers (£15,000 to start with ;-) but they must get something out of the Yaroze membership, otherwise why do it, a PR exercise? They hopefully get the talent out of it to make them money in the future, I'm probably alone in this group as the only person who didn't buy a Yaroze to join a developer as a playstation programmer (I'm certainly not kidding myself there) (I'm also probably the only one who isn't a student and have a full time job :-) it is more of a hobby for me, I like writing games, I don't like the PC so the Yaroze is the perfect solution for me, but I'm always keen to get my hands on the latest toy and a Net Yaroze 2 would be that new toy for me. I can just see a few improvements to the membership, would developers really care if we could send our files to the Yaroze at the same speed as they can to the Blue station? And would they really care (if there is one) if we could connect the Yaroze2 to the USB or FireWire port so we can send files and debug at speed, I don't think so. And as for the members who have given non members access to the newsgroups, well castration is my answer, why should we pay for something and they don't, they are no better than pirates, or any other thieves. There must be someway of stopping non NY2 machines from being developed on, that way they wouldn't gain anything from getting the Yaroze toolset, lets be honest it doesn't matter what SCE do hackers will crack it, that is why there are so many people using cracked software, and chipped playstations, DVD Players exist... > Don't forget that there had to be a difference between the NY kit > and the pro-kit. The cost difference is about £15,000! The libs > are also different in a very big way and so is support. Remember > that pro developers make SCE money...NY members do not. Also if > they would have given full libs to NY members..why would pro > developers shell out £15,000 for a kit when they could just buy a > NY for a lousy £500? I think what was supplied with the NY was nearly > perfect. As a side note...how long did it take for some NY member > to post NY manuals, code, exe's, tools on the Internet? Or even give > their friends access the the private NY website/newsgroups? Almost a week > after it was released here in Europe. Goes to show that some members > did't take the NY User Agreement serious and still don't. Why then > would SCE give full access to a NY 2? The Internet would be flooded! > Damn hackers would sure love it..argh!! > > This is all my personal view by the way.... > > George