Path: chuka.playstation.co.uk!news From: "Steve Dunn" Newsgroups: scea.yaroze.freetalk Subject: Re: Talent vs. Time [was Re: omigod] Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:41:58 -0000 Organization: PlayStation Net Yaroze (SCEE) Lines: 152 Message-ID: <6d172v$as13@chuka.playstation.co.uk> References: <34E10AF7.F024308@ix.netcom.com> <34E2F857.714@sms.ed.ac.uk> <6c1n9l$4706@scea> <34E87B54.B3@sms.ed.ac.uk> <6caek3$5bj13@scea> <34F38487.6C2C@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userm365.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 1 - Do you feel that you have enough time to dedicate to Yaroze programming? Not nearly enough time. It's certainly addictive, and at the same time frustrating, as the possibilities lie in your own hands. But real life dictates that more mundane things have higher priority ;( 2 - Do you regularly read the various news groups? All the time. I like all the arguments ;) and there are some interesting posts that help the amateurs like myself. The newsgroups in my opinion are the most valuable item of the Yaroze kit. The hardware and manuals are like a car without petrol. You can sit in it and look around, but can't get anywhere. 3 - Do you contribute to the various news groups? I often jump in on the arguments. There are some serious issues as to what can and can't be done with your Yaroze. I contribute other stuff too...see my SCEE page(~steved). 4 - Have you created a working program? It works...but so does my electric potato peeler. Both of which no-one will ever use ever ! ;) 5 - Have you posted the program and/or source to your member page? Yes, it's at ~steved. I get a warm glowy feeling when my hit count goes up ! 6 - Do you regularly visit other member pages? All the time. A very useful source of information indeed. 7 - Do you look at the resources on the other Yaroze sites (I.e. Europe and Japan) I look around the SCEA site more than anywhere, as they seem to be the most busiest site. The SCEE site has 'UPDATE !!!" pasted all around, but they all date back to the dinosaur age. > >I am not really sure how I feel about this. I have talked to a couple >of >other members who say that others are intimidated to the point that they >do not post. Is this kind of like not wanting to ask questions in a >college >class because you feel that everyone else already knows the answer? > Don't be afraid ! I'm a complete 'Yaroze div' ! If anyone condescends me, it won't have any impact as I've done it myself already. Newsgroups like these are for sharing information. If anyone feels they have the right to intimidate us Yaroze Thickies, then perhaps they should ask themselves why they are sharing the same newsgroups, and why they're not browsing "alt.clever.popular.handsome.hobbyist.programmer" group ! Jonathan Calvert wrote in message <34F38487.6C2C@mindspring.com>... >Jeff Lawton wrote: > >[snip - re: talent vs. time issue for Japan Yaorze Members] > >> Anyhow... I agree that they have talent... Wasn't in question was it? Was >> it unmentioned, or maybe I thought that went without saying.. I would think >> that almost anyone that has a Yaroze figures they have the 'talent', I was >> just trying to state that it was a matter of time more so than talent. I >> think that only core coders that truely enjoy coding as more than a job are >> the ones with Yarozes, and the ones that are probably the future of >> gaming... > >I think that I have talent...heck I get paid every day to write C++ >applications for the telecommunications industry. I do not know if >I have talent to write games, but I figure the Yaroze gives me my best >chance of discovering my abilities at writing entertainment software. > >I plan to use my Yaroze as a tool to understanding what is involved >in game creation. > >> Even though we have talent, we tend to also look upon personal lives as >> important, and many times the goals we set for ourselves tend to be more >> than the 'one' can handle. I strongly believe that teams will make the >> difference, as far as Yaroze coding goes... > >This is really my biggest problem. I simply do not have enough time to >write code for the Yaroze. This makes learning how to code for the >little >black box kind of difficult. It is really amazing to me that I >purchased >this thing back in late Aug. and I am just now having time to try to >write >my first simple demo/app. Heck, I am just now starting to have time to >really read some the various groups. > >> I just feel that people in the US seem to keep things to themselves.. I >> don't know how many conversations I have had with people where they tell me >> they haven't published source, or they don't want to post anything in the >> news groups because they feel intimidated by some of the posts.... Don't >> know why that is, but it is there... I hope that in the future more of us >> can start banding together to try to make something decent... > >I am not really sure how I feel about this. I have talked to a couple >of >other members who say that others are intimidated to the point that they >do not post. Is this kind of like not wanting to ask questions in a >college >class because you feel that everyone else already knows the answer? > >If I ever get around to making something (I better or I will be in deep >do >do with my wife ), I will post the source in demo form. I can >understand that some people may be reluctant to release the source to >something they have worked on for many hours. I am not really sure how >I >feel about this since I am not at that point. > >[snip] > >If anyone cares to post, I would love to see the answers to the >following >questions: > >1 - Do you feel that you have enough time to dedicate to Yaroze >programming? >2 - Do you regularly read the various news groups? >3 - Do you contribute to the various news groups? >4 - Have you created a working program? >5 - Have you posted the program and/or source to your member page? >6 - Do you regularly visit other member pages? >7 - Do you look at the resources on the other Yaroze sites (i.e. Europe > and Japan) > >I can answer by saying: >1 - no >2 - infrequently - because of the time issue, but I am trying to catch >3 - see above >4 - not yet >5 - no program to post >6 - only in the last two weeks >7 - not really, but it looks like I may be missing out on some good >stuff. > >Thanks for your time. >-- >Jonathan >[Please remove NO-SPAM to email me]