Path: chuka.playstation.co.uk!scea!greg_labrec@interactive.sony.com From: "Jeff Lawton" Newsgroups: scea.yaroze.freetalk Subject: Elite groups.. [was Re: Talent vs. Time] Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:44:41 -0500 Organization: SCEA News Server Lines: 52 Message-ID: <6d1hdq$aq07@scea> References: <34E10AF7.F024308@ix.netcom.com> <34E2F857.714@sms.ed.ac.uk> <6c1n9l$4706@scea> <34E87B54.B3@sms.ed.ac.uk> <6caek3$5bj13@scea> <34F38487.6C2C@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.45.215.42 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Toby Sargeant wrote in message ... >No. When I have something that I think people can learn from, or use, >I will. I'm completely committed to the idea of open software, which, >IMHO, is the only way that the yaroze project is really going to take >off. If cliques of coding 'elite' form, then it kills the free flow of >information, which in turn means that the pioneers, so to speak, can't >or won't ease the road for the new members. So far it looks like the >majority of people are in favour of disseminating information, which >is really great to see. I just had to comment on this.. I would have to TOTALLY disagree.. Why would forming 'elite' groups hurt the Yaroze. I don't see why it would do that.. I think that forming groups is a good thing... Here is the way I see it... If you had to build a car, and you know nothing about cars, don't you think it would be better to form a group and all work on a piece of the car. Now when you all have your pieces working, and you start to put them together I can tell you how my piece works, just like you can tell me how your piece works.. That way we can share the knowlede we have aquired, while building friendships at the same time. My view of a good group is to publish decent software, or the best that we can, and continually build on it. I feel that people should publish source, but sometimes somethings should not be published right away.. Ie version 1 of the game source would get published when we finish version 2, unless of course we felt like there was going to be no version 2, then we might as well publish the source to version 1. I feel that a group should try to help whenever, and where ever possible.. If you ask a question and I have the answer I would be more than happy to send a response to you, and if I can include example code then by all means that's what you will get. I would almost think that your view and my views on groups are totally different. I have been talking to 3 yaroze coders on a regular basis, and I must say I think I have learned more in the past 2 weeks than I figured out alone in 2 mths. Talking voice to people is very important, and I believe that if you are going to form a group that you have to talk voice, sending msgs back and forth is rather useless because response times are way too slow.. Even if it only takes 1hr to get an answer. Hence groups, and friendships... hopefully the whole Yaroze community turns into one BIG group... :) Just my 2 cents... Regards, Jeff / ROGUE