Path: chuka.playstation.co.uk!news From: Robert Swan Newsgroups: scee.yaroze.freetalk.english Subject: Re: Plagiarism... Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:52:39 +0100 Organization: I wish! Lines: 53 Message-ID: <35B73217.7281@mdx.ac.uk> References: <35B35498.6FCD@saqnet.co.uk> <01bdb3f5$ba7178c0$f30b0a0a@Angela1.intelligent-group.com> <35b4d4f0.1141862@news.playstation.co.uk> <6p2n6l$46017@chuka.playstation.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: nova.mdx.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4u) I wasn't going to comment, but i will now: As far as i'm concerned, the yaroze thing is based around courtesy and helping one another. There isn't any really original code, and to be honest, Almost everything I've done has been cribbed from somewhere or another. The problem being that how far do you take these things. In my 3d coloured box routine it was from seeing a similar thing by James Rutherford, who himself copied it from James Shaugnessy, who himself now is including 3d coloured box routines. In some cases there is only one way of doing things. I would like to get a thank you from someone using my stuff, and so far either noone really uses my stuff or only 3 people can be bothered to thank me. Its a shame getting a thank you is so surprising. With regards the specific case of plagiarism that started this off, I do have an opinion on it, but by giving it I wold merely by letting this thing carry on, so I wont give it. I must admit, saying 'compare the two programs' made me shudder as it merely gets other yaroze members involved. I wish everyone would share code, and its only in certain cases things might be kept apart (eg competitions) but even then its hard to justify. I may be out here on my own but people who keep stuff to themselves plain piss me off. Knowledge doesn't equal power on the yaroze. I mean, why not give the source to the Second Offence demo? (for example) There isn't anything there that isn't easy for me to replicate, but it just means other users may not have access to something they want to do... (sigh) Also, everyone should use a) nickfs demo announcement and b) madmac's profile page. Go on, its not much effort and these people deserve some credit for their effort :) Paul Bircham wrote: > I agree with u, for instance I recently recieved some notes from middlesex > Uni for the short course I will be attending and there where a couple of > good ideas using GsBOXF and GsGLINE to create some good effects and if I > where to use them I would credit them as the source of the idea as they use > there own library that keeps the working out of what there functions do > behind closed doors as it where, but they are not to difficult to figure > out. You dont have to credit ideas and routines from the course as they are so general. Plus, the gline thing was inspired by James Rutherford, and the fading boxf trick is standard issue. The bgedit program that you can use on the yaroze is by James Shaugnessy, who has kindly let us use it. There is a different issue with the course notes, and that covers the copyright because the notes are based in an academic environment, and other universities could just lift the notes and use them for themselves, which author copyright helps prevent. (but some unis are using the mdx studd anyway:( )Otherwise copyright has no place on the yaroze. Robert Swan rs108@mdx.ac.uk http://www.netyaroze-europe.com/~middex2