Path: chuka.playstation.co.uk!macsuppor From: macsuppor@a1.nl (DEnnis Brinkhuis) Newsgroups: scee.yaroze.freetalk.english Subject: Re: If the IRA stopped fighting, so can we! Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:53:09 +0200 Organization: Debri Productions Lines: 164 Message-ID: <1deudi8.186lefe5zysu8N@a1-88-126.a1.nl> References: <35eee3a1.5783979@news.playstation.co.uk> <6snapf$l6j20@chuka.playstation.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: a1-88-126.a1.nl X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3 (unregistered) Nick Ferguson wrote: > "SILLY" people? Wow, you're really ingratiating yourself to fellow > Yarozers, aren't you? Anyway, your post was certainly extremely funny > and for a while I was pretty convinced that "Tanvir Khan" was something > somebody made up (maybe even DEnnis) to give everyone a laugh. Even I would not take that risk. > But no - > you really exist. Sad fact: hardly any girls own a Yaroze - if any - > which is a reflection on the social culture that surrounds the game > industry, not to mention the ailing-but-still-about British academic > tradition of blokes doing the science stuff, and girlies doing English > lit and history... (hey, wait a minute - *I* did English Lit!?!) If you want girls, try the school for fashion and clothing, like I did... Great girls! Just my Girl was not much charmed of it. > ROTFLOL. Well, not really but by God you are sooooo... I don't know!?! > Do you really not understand what your posts sound like? I'm sorry, but > your posts *sound* like you think the sun shines out your ass and that > even though you acknowledge people here are better coders than you, YOU > are the guy who has what it takes to kick ass in the industry. Yes, "Sun shines out your ass"! Just don't make it thunder over there.. And what do you mean with "YOU are the guy who has what it takes to kick ass in the industry"???? A bad attitude? > >I just hope to be the BEST in the future, which > >still is my aim. Well you had about the worst start I could have imagined.. > >EMAG DESIGN is what I call my wannabe company which > >only includes me at the moment. I didn't know it will disturb people. > >I'm just a beguinner at coding, you guys are far ahead of me. Whats > >the PROBLEM with that. One of the things that makes the european NY scene so great is that we all have similar intrests and aims. So your not special or so, we are all the same... All wannebe gamebuilders. > Nobody likes to eat humble pie, and to be honest I think some people are > being a little rough on you. But come on! Just stop with this attitude > and admit a few things.... I mean, can you PLEASE just admit.. Hey Nick, are you starting to beg to this bloke? And we a little hard on him? What did he expect? > Just think for one moment: everyone else has taken issue with certain > elements of your behaviour. To be fair, a few people also take issue > with elements of DEnnis' behaviour which I have to say is justified to > an extent - you're like kids goading each other on. But, at the end of > the day, DEnnis is right - you really just need to start over. Believe me, I didn't start it but I did stop one time and I offered to stop again. But he's just begging for it. And what did you expect from me Nick? I had never bad intentions. He did a lot of work to get me this far. > But if you want > other people to NOT think you're a prat, don't write "I'm not a prat" - > just don't behave like one... Magic words... > > Do you want to know my character portrayal that exists in my head about > you? And I'm sure it's wrong (because everyone I meet in RL turns out to > be different than I had imagined - I'm sure DEnnis is really a shy, > bookish type) HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH you'll be disapointed HAHAHAHAHAH, Me Shy?!?!? HEHEHEHEHEHEHEH NOT!! > - but I imagine you to be a slightly spoiled 14-15 year > old who got his NY due to pester power and flashing mommy and daddy a > few pages of EDGE showing how good programmers salaries can get. Then, > you get the thing and realise you just bought the World's Most Expensive > Chipped Playstation and have to figure out how to use it. Sure, the guys > at school think you're "da bomb" ("Tanvir has a Yazoo and he's gonna > write Playstation games!!!!") but in your heart of hearts you're > thinking. Whoah? What do I do now? So, you decide to project a confident > front on the scene and come up with the intriguing idea of an all-gal NY > team (hey - we'd all love that!) and post asking for some help. After > all - what could be better than being the designer and getting all > us/them programmer types to do all the dirty (read: hard) work..? You > come up with an idea, they do it. And you get a game made! > NERRRRR! Wrong answer! I know - I'm probably way out (Tanvir is > married with 2 kids and lives in Stevenage, I just know it) but that is > the impression I get from your mails. Just, tone it *down* a little. And > realise that the only way you are going to get any games made is by > knuckling down to some hard work (because , you know, it *is* work) by > learning C and cracking on with the demos and examples and tutorials and > stuff. You're really lucky - George Bain's NY tutorial stuff is really, > really crackingly helpful and I wish I'd had it when I was just starting > out. Hey - it's still useful to me - but I've found my learning curve > (so far) has been exponential. Jesus, just looking at the amateur wars > source makes me wanna puke. Great text again Nick! I'll recoment you to EDGE at the ECTS!!! To cut the crap one last time, what about a profile for my profile-list Khan? So we all get a bit of a grip on who you realy are.. I think this is a nice gesture from my side.. A question: what the hell is a prat? A spolied prat is like a spoiled little boy?? I do know what a prick is. > >I am willing to comprimiseand I want COMPRIMISING replies from you > >DEniss and everyone else as well. So no more HATE MAIL. > > > OK - here's my compromise. I will not write or say or think any more bad > things about you IF you stop posting stuff that says/ indicates/ hints/ > suggests you have the slightest clue about what makes a great game. I > don't care, frankly. As I'm finding out, you can have the world's > greatest idea on paper and just *completely* arse it up. And, as Brian > Baird so helpfully pointed out, there are no jobs for "game designers" > as such - sure as hell not at entry level, anyway. You are going to have > to get good at something vaguely technical - preferably involving some > programming - to make any positive impact on the NY scene. So, you want > to be the greatest game designer/programmer huh? Well so do I and if you > don't mind me saying it I'm way ahead of you - I am getting a grip on C, > I have written 1 hemi-demi-semi decent 'game' and I don't have any > illusions that I am not definitely in the bottom 5% of NY members > ability-wise. So here's my personal challenge - in 6 months, can you > learn C and churn out a first effort at a game? Ideally, one that kicks > Mud N Blood's ass into orbit (shouldn't be hard)..? If you do that, then > I will stop imagining you to be some whiny teen and give you some proper > respect. Till then, I'll be polite and stick up for you - to the extent > that I'm asking DEnnis (I know you're reading this D - and probably > loving it) Your dam right I love it!! > to lay off you too, and everyone else on the group. C'mon > guys - let's give Tanvir a chance to begin again "in a golden land of > opportunity" (oops too much Blade Runner) and forgive him the past like > the kind, benevolent souls we are.... Sorry Nick Tanvir totally lost my respect. He has to earn it back. But I already said that I would let it rest (twice!). And I'm not compromising with people that think they can "Want" stuff. Change your attitude and you will have a bigger change. But I won't start again... (like i did not do before) Khan, are you comming to the ECTS? Cheers DEnnis..