Path: chuka.playstation.co.uk!tjs From: tjs@cs.monash.edu.au (Toby Sargeant) Newsgroups: scea.yaroze.freetalk,scee.yaroze.freetalk.english Subject: Re: Net Yaroze 2 ? Please. Date: 6 May 1999 07:09:55 GMT Organization: PlayStation Net Yaroze (SCEE) Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <7gaug1$2mq3@scea> <7gpfti$iko2@chuka.playstation.co.uk> <37304b8c.2367490@www.netyaroze-europe.com> <7gqkr0$iko4@chuka.playstation.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: longford.cs.monash.edu.au X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX) Xref: chuka.playstation.co.uk scea.yaroze.freetalk:1345 scee.yaroze.freetalk.english:3981 On Thu, 6 May 1999 00:43:48 +0100, Nick Ferguson wrote: >Hey all, :) > >I'm with Rob on this one. It strikes me as pretty rich that so many people >clamouring for a NY2 on this group haven't really turned out a substantial >demo on their current Yaroze. If you're struggling (either due to your >technical ability, or the amount of time you have to spend on it) with the >current machine, what makes you think having a PlayStation 2 to fool about >with will make things any easier? If anything, it will only be more >difficult! I think I'll have to (mostly) disagree with this on a number of points. Regarding ease of use, the whole point of a faster machine is that you can afford more levels of abstraction, thus making it easier, rather than harder, to program for. Regarding the fact that noone's pushed a yaroze to its limits, I think it's worthwhile to note that pushing a machine to its limits requires a lot of hard work and time, and as such tends to be a demotivating factor. The 3 main things that the PS2 offers over the PSX, that I think everyone would consider a benefit are the FPU, increased CPU speed and increased memory (and the possibility of better memory management). While there is an element of technofetishism involved in wanting to program on newer and better hardware, I believe that it's a justified desire. If it wasn't, I'd still be happily programming for the Amiga. I also think productivity will also benefit from the fact that the PS2 is much more like a personal computer (in terms of connectivity, if nothing else), and hence will likely be a lot less painful to develop for. Regardless of any of this, I don't really understand why there's a need to 'prove' that we're worthy of an NY2 program. I can't see any way in which the original NY program has hurt Sony (In fact, I think that even if the results have been ... sparse ..., the publicity ias been _good_). Also, we certainly didn't have to prove anything when we signed up for the first NY program, so that obviously wasn't a criterion for Sony to start with. I'll be a little upset if it has become one now. Toby.