Path: chuka.playstation.co.uk!news From: "Ed Fear" Newsgroups: scee.yaroze.freetalk.english Subject: Re: Visual Studio/C++ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 20:53:32 +0100 Organization: PlayStation Net Yaroze (SCEE) Lines: 76 Message-ID: <7t8bvi$h0o1@chuka.playstation.co.uk> References: <37e7cfcd.18742521@www.netyaroze-europe.com> <37E8B830.2602CE30@reading.ac.uk> <37e90399.1184380@www.netyaroze-europe.com> <7sb8mb$1cg1@chuka.playstation.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: host5-171-230-49.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I have Developer Studio, and honestly it is brilliant, if you plan on programming on the PC then don't look any further. No, it doesn't take >1.2GB, not nearly that, because most of the help stuff you don't need (Visual FoxPro, anyone?) I got it for £80 with no student stuff, but I did get the Standard Edition (which is all you need to be honest) Rikki Prince wrote in message news:7sb8mb$1cg1@chuka.playstation.co.uk... > > It's really about getting experience in a popular (in one sense, > > anyway) development tool that a lot of developers use "for real". I > > doubt many companies are writing in DJGPP/Allegro and it might be a > > pain to learn to use it but then it does look good on the old CV. And, > > given the outstanding value of the student pack, I think I'd be a twat > > not to capitalise on it while I have the chance. It would also come in > > handy for MathEngine and DirectX. After 18 months with DOS commands > > and MS Edit I think it's time to move on to some more sophisticated / > > bloated tools... :) > > If you just want a Windows IDE, you could use LCC-Win32, and muck about with > the program it uses to do the compile, and point it to make in your PSX\BIN > folder (or where ever), just like you'd have to in VC++. Also, you could get > PFE, and customise it to link to make (I think you should be able to, as > it's pretty easy to change everything). As for the experience, if it's as > easy to use as some people suggest, then surely you would not need to buy it > just to learn how to use it. As most all Windows programs, especially with > MS products, they're all set out as similarly as possible, especially in > terms of menus, toolbars etc. For this reason, it should be pretty easy to > move from one to another. Your only problem would be if there's a bunch of > things VC++ can do that you'd need to learn, which there shouldn't be, as > it's an IDE and a compiler. All that could be important about VC++ is > possible optimisation in the compiler, and for practising your coding, it's > not really necessary, maybe even a bad thing as without super optimisation, > you'd be more determined to make your code as quick as possible without > optimising. Is there anything else that people find particularly helpful in > VC++ that I can pick apart? ;) > Oh and if writing your own makefiles is particularly annoying (not that VC++ > helps AFAIK), I've been working on a makefile generator, where you select > your files through an open file dialog, and then set depenacies. I basically > finished it in my 'Working Model' of VB 4, but that doesn't output .exes, so > I'm working on rewriting it in C in the Win API in LCC-Win32 (enough 'in's > there? :) > > > Does it *really* take up >1.5 GB on the hard drive, BTW? I only have a > > 2.1 GB hard drive!!! Surely you can install with various options, etc > > (my Office 97 install of Word and Excel only takes up 30MB) or else I > > might be stuffed. Alternately, it would provide the perfect excuse for > > getting that new >10Gb hard drive... Mmmm. > > Well a friend who's got Visual Studio, says that's only on 3 CDs, so > obviously VC++ doesn't take up all room on the 3 CDs. I think the reason for > 3 CDs is all the addons etc you get with VS, so basically VS is on one CD, > then you get a MSDN CD, and a load of other stuff, but I can't be certain, > due to little exposure to this software... > > > Cheers > > > > Nick Ferguson > > Rikki > >