Path: chuka.playstation.co.uk!news From: "Peter Dollochan" Newsgroups: scee.yaroze.freetalk.english Subject: Re: Where do we go from here? Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:13:45 -0000 Organization: PlayStation Net Yaroze (SCEE) Lines: 111 Message-ID: <88fb08$k301@chuka.playstation.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.49.255.207 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Your post imho is quite harsh and undeserving in *almost* its entirety. Comments in text... Tony Ross wrote in message ... >Could someone from SONY please explain to all of us what we can do with >our Yaroze kits (....don't even go there....). heh I paid 5-600 quid for my black box and am very happy having done so, a conversation piece if nothing else .. but it is so much more !! > >We really should have been given notice that the OPM stuff was coming to >an end and given us the opportunity to produce some work for >presentation to the gaming world. I dont believe the OPM thing was an original part of the program when i bought my yaroze (maybe someone could correct me here).But that aside how much notice would you need ? 1 month 6 months .. seriously with a few notable execptions the yaroze project from a coders viewpoint is running to an end the OPM thing was bound to finish .. there just isnt anything to put on the disks. > Rewind to July last year when I >compained that SONY were not making it worth our while and not giving us >the libraries and tools that we as casual programmers needed. So many >people gave me a hard time about that but look at how little we have >heard from them in all this time. Hmm would your projects gain from a vibrating pad or link up code .. which by the way is apparently dodgy as hell .. how much more is missing from the libs ? What tools are you personally missing ? > >I remember hearing somewhere that SEGA dev. kits could burn on special >discs which would run on an unmodified system. I thought the sega stuff was way inferior to the sony libs focusing on sprites etc missing out all the fun stuff ? > >We need some way of producing CD's of our work. Other magazines may >support our work if SONY would only allow them to. > >I have heard that it is possible to burn a disk which will run on a >chipped PSX. Perhaps SONY could give Yaroze users permission to do that >legally (with royalties being due to SONY if they make any money at it). I cant see why you need a CD with your stuff .. if its for employment video the game showing all the good bits in the various levels and send them this with the code .. they will look at both. If its just for fame on a magazine then sony didnt say it was part of your yaroze package. > >When the PS2 backward compatibility was announced I thought we'd be OK >but now they tell us they cannot use our stuff anymore. > This i want to hear about .. I thought if the game was written to sony's specific standards it should work on PS2 which is why alot of the big games wont work because of direct hardware access etc. Obviously as yarozers we are using the original libs so should be ok .. unless there is memory issues or something else i dont know about =( >I'm sure that my non-disclosure agreement does not stop me from >complaining to Watchdog etc. about the shoddy treatment we are receiving >from SONY. Actually, a friend of mine works for the BBC and might be >able to pull a few strings to get it on air. >If SONY are refusing to continue actively running the Yaroze project >then perhaps they are preparing to stop actively supporting the >Playstation as a way of forcing the punters to buy the new machine. How many technical questions haven't been answered by either sony or another member, most members are to busy getting on with it to worry about NEW additions to libraries every other week that totally mess up the work they have done to date. Also are you refering to a yaroze 2 ? never heard there was going to be one .. even if there is it would be several years in the making at least as far in as the original one was. If you dont mean a yaroze 2 then why would Sony want to keep a large playstation base when the ps2 is out ? Your talking about a business that wants to make money .. at least they are trying for some level of backwards compatibilty unlike nintendo or sega. > >What about us all thinking about SONY's level of effort during the last >2 Years (lets compile an audit). > >Add SONY sponsored initiatives below with an approximate date >-- >Tony Ross I doubt Sony have made money from this project and yet they continue to provide web space for these newsgroups and homepages, on top of this they have sponsored a competition(cant remember the name .. chris won =) ) have done a couple of home spun things and put out for the OPM stuff. If sony put a stop to whats left (newsgroups and web sites) I believe it will be because of pressure from disgruntled yaroze members who done to little to late with their black boxes. Not to worry though you might get some of your money back .. but then you wouldnt be happy with that either. The members make this project NOT sony .. the last wee compo that james R set up there was like 3 entries .. WOAH .. worth doing one every week !! Pete. Yaroze - Lets do it together ?? nah Yaroze - Lets complain together.