Path: chuka.playstation.co.uk!trsoft.demon.co.uk!ARoss From: Tony Ross Newsgroups: scee.yaroze.freetalk.english Subject: Re: Where do we go from here? Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:21:31 +0000 Organization: PlayStation Net Yaroze (SCEE) Lines: 89 Message-ID: <$N4puDAb1os4Eweh@trsoft.demon.co.uk> References: <38ab5135.126831333@news.playstation.co.uk> <88ti5g$ad3@chuka.playstation.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: trsoft.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 In article <88ti5g$ad3@chuka.playstation.co.uk>, George Bain writes >I personally agree. I think this e-mail pretty much sums it up. > >George OK George a few simple questions. Please ask the relevant people and get back to us. 1) Would our boot CD's need to change in order to gain access to the full range of Playstation peripherals. 2) What other problems would the change involve. 3) Would SONY allow anyone else to run our stuff on their coverdisk and would they give a responsible third party the tools to do so. I refer everyone to the carefully worded agreement Section 4 (i) SCEE will repair free of charge any fault in the Member's PlayStation .....Blah..Blah (ii) SCEE will use all reasonable endeavours to correct any bugs or faults in the Development Tools notified to SCEE within 30 days of the supply of the Development Tools free of charge. Thereafter SCEE 'may' undertake correction of the bugs or faults but reserves the right to charge for these services. (iii) SCEE 'may' provide upgrades to the members PlayStation and/or Development Tools. SCEE reserves the right to charge for any such upgrades. Would (ii) include the lack of functionality in the BG functions which I reported to you. (r,g,b alterations having no effect)? Was this bug listed anywhere on the web site or would that have just helped new members to find such bugs before the 30-day limit and put the onus on SONY to fix it for free? Would (iii) include the repeated requests from Yaroze members requesting improvements to the libraries? Apart from all of this nonsense we all realise that good-looking, good- sounding, games with good gameplay require lots of development time even for large teams. The lack of complete games would suggest that most of us are struggling to find the time (in this modern world) to finish our work. Simple additions to the website like collections of graphics and sound (submissions from pro developers for example) for use in games would make the process quicker. SONY never made such attempts to streamline the development process for us. Few of us could be masters of all of those aspects anyway. Some people hit a brick wall in one of the following areas. 1) Code problems (no excuses here) 2) Graphics creation (a skill in itself) 3) Sound effects (again a skill in itself) 4) Music creation (ditto) 5) A lack of functionality in the tools leading to compromises in your design. 6) Motivation SONY have provided excellent help with (1) via. samples and contact with other users. Five stars. 2) One star 3) One star 4) One star 5) three stars 6) 1999-2000 No stars We joined a club run by one of the biggest consumer electronics corporations in the world. It doesn't matter what we paid it's the impression given by the glossy brochures that matters. People are bound to snip tiny bits of this and argue over individual points. Please bear in mind that I am asking SONY for answers to these questions before you wade in. -- Tony Ross