Path: chuka.playstation.co.uk!trsoft.demon.co.uk!ARoss From: Tony Ross Newsgroups: scee.yaroze.freetalk.english Subject: Re: Where do we go from here? Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:16:16 +0000 Organization: PlayStation Net Yaroze (SCEE) Lines: 75 Message-ID: References: <38ab5135.126831333@news.playstation.co.uk> <88ti5g$ad3@chuka.playstation.co.uk> <$N4puDAb1os4Eweh@trsoft.demon.co.uk> <88ugjf$3942@chuka.playstation.co.uk> <38b54835.648851278@news.playstation.co.uk> <38b3ddf1.12907334@www.netyaroze-europe.com> <38b544ff.19209129@www.netyaroze-europe.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: trsoft.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 In article <38b544ff.19209129@www.netyaroze-europe.com>, Robert Swan writes >On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:22:48 +0000, Tony Ross > wrote: > >>Next time you take something back to a shop to complain Rob remember >>that when the guy says there is nothing he can do for you then just >>leave with no argument. > >That is an inaccurate analogy. A better one would be buying a pair of >trousers that have a sign on them saying 'these are ripped - so no >complaints' and then taking them back to the shop and saying 'but >these are ripped' :) I can't remember being told that there would be no upgrades to the libraries (the agreement implied that there would). I can't remember being told that there was a hardware fault that prevented you from running the comms tools at full speed. I can't remember being told that I couldn't use the multi-tap prior to joining the programme (perhaps I'm mistaken). This sycophantic attitude towards SONY is not helping me leave this thread alone. >And if you met me you'd find how angry I do get at companies that >don't fulfill their own promises/ standards - which sony hasn't done. If SONY were going to just leave us to it then they should have let US run the bloody thing ourselves. The restrictions strangled the whole project IMO. >>A 10p donation for every copy of OPM which carried a Yaroze game would >>have easily provided the cash for prizes and new tools and the gamers >>get a complete game for 10p. >> >>I'm sure that the PlayStation owners would not begrudge us this. >>What about an OPM campaign to save Yaroze (poll the readers). > >and then what - sony has finished the yaroze project. Lets be >realistic about the Yaroze - there are probably about 20 people still >working on them that might get something done. If there were 200 or >2000 then things might be different. Is there any chance of you offering ANY positive help Rob? Most people in service industries try to be helpful and explain fully if they can't. >There is a salient point in that even when the Fame Game was running, >often there was nothing offered to be put on the cover. Basically, we >wernt producing enough to make it worthwhile, and nothing has changed >now. In fact its probably got worse. My point (made about 9 months ago) was that competitions and reward should have been the route to encourage people. I know that many will see this as a mercenary attitude on my part but you show me one single person who wouldn't have tried harder if competitions and rewards were involved. (and my magazine idea would have paid for all of it) >>If the Yaroze access card had allowed us to use a modified boot CDR then >>we never would have had all of this trouble anyway. > >but they didnt. You might as well complain that sony were nasty by >making people chip their machines to be able to play backups :) Its >just something they did. My point exactly (they just did it ..... without thinking) SONY probably just want everybody to forget about the PlayStation and start buying PS2. They should allow us to take it from here if they don't care about us but they would be afraid that we might make some money and they would miss out on a few quid. Clearly we are a major threat to their profit margin ;) What harm could we do if they set up some ground rules for us (considering that we can already put a disk together that will play on a chipped machine)? -- Tony Ross