Path: chuka.playstation.co.uk!news From: "Matt Verran" Newsgroups: scee.yaroze.freetalk.english Subject: Re: PS2 Dev kit Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:16:25 +0100 Organization: PlayStation Net Yaroze (SCEE) Lines: 77 Message-ID: <9kj6cm$nog1@www.netyaroze-europe.com> References: <3B6A72B5.C98C7CB9@127.0.0.1> <3b6c1d6e.1206518802@www.netyaroze-europe.com> <9kh9pv$l511@www.netyaroze-europe.com> <3b6e5167.1219826968@www.netyaroze-europe.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-51-252.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I agree that allowing amateur developers like us to self distribute anything we have written would go against the plug-and-play ethic Sony want for the PS2. It would probably be fractured and unrewarding for the users too if these programs for their PS2 could be placed anywhere on the internet. But this could be simply solved if Sony implement a cut-down QA submission process, posting our programs in a centralised reserve. Just like getting a Yaroze game approved for OPM you could get you Linux Kit game approved for distribution via the Broadband Network. I expect the main hurdle is if Sony are prepared to pay for this QA to be done when the games are going to be given away for free. It adds value to thier broadband network, but it's also an unreliable and inconsistent source. They did it for the Yaroze (on a smaller scale) with OPM so I guess it's possible. I believe the Yaroze2 element is just a subset of the Linux Kit, the OS and GUI means it can be used as a finished tool and need not ever be programmed. This worries me a little bit, mainly because the allocation numbers are so small and Linux lovers so numerous it might be hard to get hold of it to write games with. Secretly I hope that they release here with a higher price tag to put off those who just want to tweak, fiddle and run web servers. MattV Steven Osman wrote in message news:3b6e5167.1219826968@www.netyaroze-europe.com... > Matt, > > I'm not quite sure, but I have a hunch that Sony doesn't want your > games to run on all systems. > > On one hand, I hate the thought of it, but then again, I appreciate > it, too. > > I can't tell you how many PC applications I've downloaded that were > just pure crap -- and that was the good ones. The bad ones messed up > the system, don't uninstall properly, etc, etc. One of the things > that sony does when they give you a prof. developer license is require > you to "accept" certain standards and adhere to them; in fact, in the > recent discussions about the NY demos being distributed, there were > additional guidelines and requirements for qualifying games. > > Perhaps the one thing all Yaroze members have in common is a sense of > adventure. Maybe being part of the community makes us aware of the > potential flaws in people's yaroze code as we download it, so we don't > blame it on the console and go buy the other guy's console (which > looks very suspiciously similar to a PC without a keyboard and mouse). > > Anyway, all that being said, I'm on your side, too. I thought the > dreamcast was kind of interesting with the little downloadable games > you could get for the VMU, I thought it'd be fun to write little VMU > games, for example. The dreamcast allowed you to download those games > right out of the box, too (i.e. modem was already included). > > As far as PS2 Linux, I'm still confused about something. I can't tell > if it was intended to be akin to a "Net Yaroze 2," or if it was more > about letting people use the computer they've already bought without > knowing it (i.e. why bother buying a computer when you can just pop in > a linux kit into the system you already have. Just think -- you get > ps2 + ps one + dvd player + computer all in one... Not bad, huh?) > > Sauce > > On Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:02:25 +0100, "Matt Verran" > wrote: > > >I really hope SONY provide some mechanism to allow owners of the upcoming > >braodband adapter/HD to download programs by Linux Kit developers. Imagine > >if our yaroze games were available to all PS owners. > > > >MattV > > >