Path: chuka.playstation.co.uk!macsuppor From: macsuppor@a1.nl (DEnnis Brinkhuis) Newsgroups: scee.yaroze.freetalk.english Subject: Re: Next Generation EX Plus Alpha Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 21:44:03 +0200 Organization: Debri Productions Lines: 166 Message-ID: <1d8h03p.1qwbt5e74dyf4N@a1-88-101.a1.nl> References: <35363517.A88BA96D@creatron.de> <6h8k7h$shn7@chuka.playstation.co.uk> <6hi2q8$3li10@chuka.playstation.co.uk> <353DD25A.2FAC@writeme.com> <6hlmrq$3li23@chuka.playstation.co.uk> <3549C49C.58D6@saqnet.co.uk> <1d8czbz.133ecyt1jgszeoN@a1-88-123.a1.nl> <6ii1cg$jpr5@chuka.playstation.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: a1-88-101.a1.nl X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3 (unregistered) > (sorry - don't know how much things > cost in Holland!) versus about 1000 for a decent gamesplaying PC (and > that's with a lot of looking about) means that most people cannot afford > a PC because of that high early pricetag. Here you got a good point again, I live in Holland. Here every 8 of 10 households have a decent PC in the house. We know the problem that most households have better PC's than some compagnies that need to earn their money with them. Therefore the PC is much cheaper here I suppose. There is also a rather large market for used computers. I own 2 computers, one PowerMac 8500av and a pentium 120 and both are second hand. I had about 12 computers in the 4 year I worked with computers and all of them were used systems. In Holland there are much more PC-shops that all the game-shops you have in England. We have no Games-industry here like you have. And almost every young man between 15 and 35 knows his way around with a PC (or Mac like me) in Holland. In holland there is a lot of piracy on the PC-games market. It's not hard to duplicate a PC-game and maybe you know how Dutch people are like with spending money. They buy a PC and get most games for Free. > I would also argue that the > level of technical knowledge required to run games on a PC, and the > difficult-to-learn controls (keyboard and mouse) of many games put > people off. An N64 is 'true' plug-and-play, with a standard controller > that all the games use. To many people (myself included), that is better > than a machine which guzzles money, requires upgrades every year and > lacks the "gamesy" feel of an N64! All IMHO, of course :-) In Holland there is "already" a PC in the house, so why not use it for games to. And the nolidge here is no problem. In the MultiMedia-market and the Internet-market (a lot of porn-sites) we are rather large. > Well, you can relish the fact you can play Goldeneye, ISS, Mario, > Wave Race, Star Fox, Blast Corps, Turok, Shadows of the Empire, > Pilotwings (see: parachute sim), Mario Kart, Diddy Kong Racing, 1080 > Snowboarding, Tetrisphere, Quake, etc etc You do note almost all the games there are for N64 and some are not even in the shops yet (at least not in Holland). About Turok, thats just fun for a few hours. And about PilotWings, THERE YOU GOT A HUDGE POINT!!!! You probably looked at my FreeFall-project?? PilotWings is Superb!! > and they cannot. Also, you can > play multiplayer games like Goldeneye. Invite your friends round, and > have 4-player tournaments. It's great! Yes, you can argue that N64 games > are more expensive - and I cannot argue with that, OK? :-) That is just > cart vs CD, and we don't want to argue about that because it's boring! I > just think that for many N64 games, the extra money is worth it. There > is nothing to rival Goldeneye or Mario on PS - yet! The four-player option is nice, but I own a multitap and I play fourplayer games to on the PSX, even better is the link-up option from PSX. Just try Coolboardes 2 with a Net Yaroze against a PSX on 2 tely's And YES, that argue is boring, just like what is the better system? Mac or PC! I do see here that owners of a N64 just own 3 maybe 4 games and PSX owners have most of the time at least 7 or 8 games. > I'm not saying that the N64 is "better" > than the PS - technically it is, commercially it isn't - but I think > people don't give the machine enough credit sometimes. I agree, and that sound a lot like the story of Apple Macintosh! > Well, I think it is difficult to say you prefer one system "because > of the gameplay". Do you mean you tend to prefer games of a > driving/fighting variety (good reasons to own a PS!)? Or, do you not > like the childish element in many Nintendo games (another good reason to > prefer PS)? Gameplay is not in the console but in the games. And I do need to say Nintendo always was master of game-play. I used to be the big Nintendo-man around. I had everything from Nintendo, and with that I mean everything. I even have a Demo-boy. That is a big box that made it possible to connect a gameboy to a tely. Now it's nothing special anymore due to the super-gameboy, but in the early days, we had a lot of fun with it. These Demo-boys were for presentation in shops, you probably know. And I went on with the playstation course of the image from the system, more adult. And I already had all my other technical stuff from Sony. > I would argue that one of the main reasons Nintendo has done > as well as it has in Europe and the US (if not Japan) is because of the > strong gameplay in many of its titles. I think that some PS owners are a > bit tired of seeing the same crap on the shelf - Fighter XX+ Alpha, Hard > Rockin' Driving 3, etc - and like the idea of a Nintendo system which > might not have many games, but many of those games are an event when > they come out! Agree totaly!! > I'd rather have 10 great games than 30 OK ones. Here you go off, it's more like 10 good games and 2 bad for N64 against maybe 50 good games and 200 crap on PSX. And you choose your own games and leave the crap ones in the shop. > If Nintendo and Sony had a rival system like Net Yaroze, I'd be > tempted towards the Nintendo one, but I realise the PS is easier to > write for (important if you can't yet program, like me!) and I have to > say I don't like Nintendo's attitude towards consumers - it is very > high-handed and arrogant. But then, Nintendo would NEVER start a NY > program because of the sort of company they are. I think N's recent fall > from grace has a lot to do with this arrogant attitude... This is why Macintosh is not ruling the PC-market to (My personal opinion) > Yes, I am lucky. And you might ask how I afford it? Well, I don't > smoke, I don't drink (much) and I tend to buy many games in Hong Kong > where they are much cheaper (no, I don't mean pirate stuff). For > example, I could get an N64 with Mario 64, Starfox and ISS for less than > 140. PS stuff in HK is actually more expensive than most N64 stuff, > FYI. I also make some money bringing back games for my friends - usually > I charge 10% like other 'agents' :-) I would also argue that having all > systems (and thus no, or at least less, reason for system bias) makes me > a better person to judge them - I have an N64, Sega Saturn, N64 and 3DFX > PC and I love them all. Alas, I also have no life :-) So, you have connections in Hong kong? Keep it hot, if you can earn so much with it. In Holland there is no real market for used console-games, no market for any games to be honest > (actually, I DO have a girlfriend - although she hates computery > stuff with a passion). Me to, and a nice one to. She's British (but lived in Holland for about 7 years now) and a stewardess for an Airline. I got her before I started coputers and she never left me course of them. She prefers me alone behind my computers than hanging around with other girls in a local pub. And it's not the kind of job that attracks other women. > all systems are awesome (except Jaguar!) Jaguar could be a good system, if Atari hadn't srewed up again. > All this aside, you sound like my kind of guy, DEnnis :-) Don't take > that the wrong way, now! Oh, BTW, your english is excellent!!! Better > than most of the AOLers who post on rec.games.video.sony anyway (heh! > Maybe that isn't a compliment...) rec.games.video.sony anyway?? What is that? IRC? And thank you for the complement. I hope one day my English will be better than my Dutch. And don't think my girl speaks English to me, she totaly adjusted to our culture and everything that goes with it. She still speaks perfect English but I hardly never hear it. We go to Birmingham about once a year to see her family. And next to that, I suffer dislection. Thats a kind of reading-blindness. More creative people have that I heard. But my speaking in English is better, and I still need to do something about my grammar. And if you ever want to visit Holland, just come on over. In that case you don't have to stay in an expensive hotel. DEnnis Brinkhuis (NL) ------------------- http://come.to/debri http://www.netyaroze-europe.com/~madmac ------------------- debri@dds.nl macsuppor@a1.nl ------------------- ICQ: 5667178