Path: chuka.playstation.co.uk!scea!greg_labrec@interactive.sony.com From: mperdue@hrtc.net (Mario Perdue) Newsgroups: scea.yaroze.programming.2d_graphics,scee.yaroze.programming.2d_graphics Subject: Re: General Complaining Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 10:38:30 GMT Organization: SCEA Net Yaroze News Lines: 56 Message-ID: <33e6f721.2332529@205.149.189.29> References: <33E66E4D.47E@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: firewall.hrtc.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: chuka.playstation.co.uk scea.yaroze.programming.2d_graphics:204 scee.yaroze.programming.2d_graphics:159 On Mon, 04 Aug 1997 20:05:33 -0400, Clint Kelly wrote: >I've found many of the example programs to be poorly documented. Maybe >I'm not quite as beastly when it comes to programming as the average Net >Yaroze user, but I'm fairly experienced, and I had a lot of trouble >getting started. I can only speak for my own programs here. I think they have been documented very well. Every programmer has his/her own way of coding and commenting. >If a "tutorial" program only displays a few sprites on a screen, or >something equally "trivial," then I assume it was created for >beginners. And, speaking as a beginner, I'd appreciate comments on >just about every line. I'm not aware of any "tutorial" programs in the SCEA area. To my knowledge, they are all demo programs. For that reason you're not likly to see comments on every line that take you by the hand an walk you through it. It is assumed that you have you Yaroze documentation available when you look through the code. Speaking only for my own code, I try to document each function and the key areas of each function. >For instance, I downloaded some SCEE 2D demos called tuto1 and tuto2, >etc., and they were pretty big (many over 20 pages long with KeyView) >and, to be honest (and a little rude... sorry), the didn't really >help me out at all. I'm sorry to hear that, but there are a lot of other demos up there, have you looked at all of them? >I don't mean to sound like a jerk here, cos I do really appreciate all >the assistance I've gotten from the staff around here (although having >paid in total almost $1000, I'd be pretty pissed if I wasn't getting any >help). It's OK to voice your opinions. I don't think you sound like a jerk. Please understand that all of the demo's here are coming from a variety of programmers and that each of them has their own style. If the first demo you look at isn't to your liking, try looking at another. Remember to look at the member pages too. Many of them have code samples available. These members are going through the same learning curve you are, so maybe their samples will make more sense to you. >Maybe I'm in the bottom 5% of Net Yaroze owners in terms of >programming skills, and in that case I apologize profusely, but I found >Ira's Rainey's 2D tutorials and documentation to be infinitely more >useful than anything I've downloaded from the official site. No apology is necessary. I'm glad you found Ira's tutorials useful. I havn't seen his stuff, but I hear it's pretty good. Mario