Path: chuka.playstation.co.uk!news From: "Craig Graham" Newsgroups: scee.yaroze.programming.codewarrior Subject: Re: Gripes about CodeWarior Date: 30 Jun 1998 10:26:02 GMT Organization: PlayStation Net Yaroze (SCEE) Lines: 74 Message-ID: <01bda411$36fb9aa0$f30b0a0a@Angela1.intelligent-group.com> References: <3596B6DC.56DF88AD@reality-bytesX.demon.co.uk> <6n8kq3$sub3@chuka.playstation.co.uk> <3597F917.498697F@reality-bytesX.demon.co.uk> <6n96nn$sub6@chuka.playstation.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1-s2-43-telehouse.mistral.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Graeme Evans wrote in article <6n96nn$sub6@chuka.playstation.co.uk>... > >I'm prepared to accept most of the comments in Craig and Marks reply. I > guess > >I havn't been exposed to a great many compilers. > > > > hey don't give in to those guys. its the emperors new clothes. i think > codewarrior sucks too, and i have used a fair few compilers at work. Have you tried the Microtec XRAY debugger? It's a lot worse than CW, and they (still) charge £1500 a seat for it. Just the debugger, not the compiler. I think we should have a fight about it ;) [ happy now Matthew... :) ] > Fortunately they were command line tools and I could call them from a > makefile in visual studio. And you can with gnu too - steve dunn knows how. > > I think metrowerks shot themselves in the foot with that tacky windows > porting tool, and using us Net Yaroze folk as unwitting paying beta testers. > I know I certainly wont be buying any of their tools at work now I know how > frustrating they are. I think the problem is that they haven't released an update to the Yaroze compiler for a long while. The ProDev compiler - as shown at Devcon a while ago, and on their WWW site, is a much better environment, which solves pretty much all the problems the earlier versions suffered (the editor is a case in point). > As for being a superior compiler, I really doubt theres much in it. Anyway Call tree analysis and dead code stripping. > didnt i read recently that metrowerks are going to start selling GNU > compilers coupled with (cough!) their front end. I guess metrowerks dont Actually, it's just a plugin to CodeWarrior that allows you to optionally call the GNU compiler in place of the Metrowerks one. > think its that bad a compiler. And the GNU compilers are getting improved > all the time with egcs (anyone built snapshots for their yaroze yet?) CW compiled code tends to be smaller than GNU compiled code. > [ aside : I'm sure there could be dosh to be made if someone could integrate > gdb as a Visual Studio plug-in. There is an interface already to read out VS > breakpoints. Do it as a separate program that calls gdb, you keep the rights > to the debugger plug in and you can undercut metrowerks. I know for £2000 a > seat I'd support GNU tools. ergh! what am i saying?] > > sorry rambling a bit there. So anyway your question was why cant codewarrior > do all that stuff, and the answer has to be 'because theres someone at > metrowerks who really really likes their pet mac porting tool'. ach these I quite like the GUI. > graeme Craig.